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NHL Rumors III: Weber, Stars, Hayes, Panthers, Lupul, Tootoo, Spezza and Selanne

  • Josh Cooper of the Tennessean: Predators GM David Poile says “no” every time he’s asked if he’ll trade defenseman Shea Weber. Weber will make $14 million, with a $13 million lump sum. Poile says the Predators are in a “rebuild on the fly.” Weber is owed $42 million in bonuses over the next four seasons. Cooper wonders if it is the right time to trade him. Weber’s salary won’t get down to $6 million until 2018-19. From a hockey standpoint it might make sense, but maybe not from the business side of things.

    “It is often in the best interest of mid-market teams to trade one star player for many younger players of equal value on the ice. This strategy reduces payroll and diversifies risk,” Vanderbilt University sports economics professor John Vrooman said. “There is a trade package that would make sense for the Preds as they reload, but the package must fill Weber’s gigantic skates on the blueline and provide offense and youth. This is probably not going to happen.”

    The Predators need young, offensive NHL ready forwards. Weber has a no-trade clause. The Oilers could use a top defenseman and have plenty of young NHL ready forwards.

  • Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News: The Stars will probably not re-sign Ray Whitney and Vernon Fiddler. They may also look to shakeup their blueline. They have seven defenseman already under contract for next year.

    “We’ll study all of our options, and we’ll do whatever we can to improve the team,” Nill said when asked about potential changes. “We have plenty of time to evaluate right now, so we’re in the process of evaluating.”

    With the rising salary cap, the Stars have options to add through the free agent or trade market, but GM Jim Nill doesn’t expect to go crazy.

    “We know what we need and we understand the market, so we’ll study all of our options, and we’ll be open to whatever possibilities are out there,” he said. “We know this is a process and it’s going to take time, and we’re not going to force anything.”

  • Scott Powers of ESPN Chicago: Blackhawks prospect Kevin Hayes is in no rush to sign with the team according to his agent, Robert Murray.

    “Because Boston College’s season ended so late, there’s no urgency to make a decision right away,” Hayes’ agent Robert Murray said in a phone interview Tuesday. “We just decided to sit back and take our time. When Kevin gets back from the World’s, we’ll kind of follow up.

    “There’s no decision made on any of that right now. There’s no decision that he’s not going to sign with Chicago. I’ve tried to stress that with Chicago. That’s not the intent — because he hasn’t signed yet, [he won’t sign ever.] That’s not the case.”

    Murray and GM Stan Bowman have talked. If he’s not signed by August 15th, he’ll be a UFA. Kevin’s brother Jimmy was traded by the Blackhawks to the Panthers, and is said to not be a factor in Kevin not signing as of yet.

    “There are a number of issues we’re trying to evaluate,” Murray said. “Depth of organization has some bearing on it. There’s just a bunch of criteria we’re trying to take a look at. The situation is there’s no urgency for sign for Kevin. He’s not going to play anywhere until training camp in September. Whether he signs today or two weeks from now or a month from now, it doesn’t make any difference. There’s no reason in our mind to rush into something until he can decide something and see where things are at.”

  • George Richards: A big splash by the Panthers could be coming. They say they have money to spend on players and a coach this offseason. Michael Traikos responds that if could be a landing spot for Maple Leafs Joffrey Lupul.
  • Helene St. James: Red Wings GM Ken Holland said they will likely use a compliance buyout on Jordin Tootoo if they are not able to trade him.
  • Hope Smoke: Darren Dreger: “Eugene Melnyk is very sensitive to how the Spezza situation unfolds because he doesn’t want to go through what they did with Alfredsson”
  • Juha Hiitela: Ducks Teemu Selanne on KHL rumors: “No comments.”

10 Comments

  1. Chris

    April 30, 2014 at 11:00 am

    The Preds matched the offer sheet put forth by the Flyers essentially rejecting FIVE 1st round draft picks. Say what you want about where those picks would be in the draft but that decision made a statement on the value of Shea Weber to the Preds.

    IF the Preds were to enter into discussions with the Oilers those discussions would START with Taylor Hall and probably include Justin Schutz or Darnell Nurse AND a draft pick.

    Any Oiler fan who thinks otherwise is dreaming. Shea Weber is one of the best players in the world.

  2. EastCoastHockeyFan

    April 30, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    lol Chris you and your “it starts with” lol you say that every time any rumor has edmonton in it, and it really doesn’t. first off, Weber isn’t going to edmonton. second the world class player for world class player deals very rarely happen, its a package of picks and prospects with roster players to fill the voids, till they see if the gamble payed off, IF it were put together it would be a legit number 3 or 4 d man, possibly a second or third line forward to fill roster spots, then a grad A prospect, another A/B prospect and a few draft picks,
    it will not happen so its all speculation, but IF he does move, to ANY team that will be the deal

  3. Chris

    April 30, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    Taylor Hall is a good young player but he’s not anywhere near ‘world class’ in the same way Weber is. Your statement implies that Weber and Hall are of equal value. They aren’t.

  4. EastCoastHockeyFan

    April 30, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    i didnt say Hall is as good as webber, or worth the same value, i will say hall is a world class player, he was on the short list for team canada make it or not out of the players in the world to have your name mentioned in the convo means you are in fact a world class player, … hes also onely 22… weber is a world class player one of the top in the league, at 28 is in his prime.
    so again, its very rare to see a world class player for world class player deal, IF he is traded to any team it will be for a package pritty similar to what i said above,

  5. Adam

    May 1, 2014 at 5:16 am

    Weber does not have a full NTC, he doesn’t have one of any sort.

  6. Chris

    May 1, 2014 at 8:59 am

    Aside from putting up some decent offensive numbers, what had hall accomplished that makes him a world class player? To me he’s more like a Dany Heatley than a world class guy like Toews or Crosby. At 22 Heatley was putting up superior numbers to Hall (and this was pre lockout clutch and grab era). Hall might end up being a world class player eventually but right now he’s just an offensively gifted young player; he’s got a ways to go before he’s considered in the same category of guys like Toews or Patrick Kane.

  7. D

    May 1, 2014 at 11:35 am

    From TSN:

    “Taylor Hall is a superstar that isn’t regarded as such because the Oilers have yet to win. Over the past two seasons, as a 21 and 22-year-old, Hall has averaged 1.08 points per game.

    Since 2000, the list of forwards to record a higher points-per-game at that age includes Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos and Nicklas Backstrom. Hall’s point production is better than Patrick Kane, Joe Thornton and John Tavares at the same age, so he’s in top-tier company and if his team manages to control the puck more consistently, the numbers can still get better.”

  8. Chris

    May 1, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    D. Agreed he will get better. But point production is all Hall does right now. I’d rather have Kane because he’s an impact player. At what point do Hall, RNH etc. stop using the excuse that they are good players on a ‘bad team’ and become the go-to guys like Kane etc. that make them a good team. Without Toews and Kane the Hawks are not cup contenders. Without Hall the Oilers don’t get much worse and that’s the difference.

  9. Chris

    May 1, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    I look at Hall like an Ovechkin type guy or as I said earlier like a young Heatley; very good offensively but miles away from what you get with a Toews, Crosby, Malkin or Kane.

    Hall’s point production may be better than Tavares’s for example but there’s not an NHL team in the league that would take Hall over Tavares because Tavares is far more of a complete player. Kane had 88 points in 82 games as a 20 year old in 2009/2010. He also had 28 points in 22 playoff games and scored the Stanley Cup winning goal. Hall has never put up 88 points, never played a playoff game.

    The following year he put up 73 points in 73 games.

    Kane’s off ice buffoonery is likely what contributed to his point totals going down in 2011-2012 but last year he rebounded to get better than a point per game and win another Cup and the Conn Smythe. This year he was again a point per game and has again been clutch in the playoffs.

    Do you see the difference? Hall puts up points in the regular season on a bad team.

    Kane puts up points in the regular season and is good in all areas (offensively and defensively) for a great team. His contributions are a big part of the reason the team is great.

    But what really separates Kane from Hall is his playoff acumen. He wins and has proven himself as a big game player.

    Hall might do this someday. It’s possible. But until he does, you never know. A lot of big point producers can’t get it done in the playoffs. Ovechkin, Thornton, Heatley, Spezza etc. are all good players but not the same level of a Corey Perry, Drew Doughty or a Shea Weber.

    Until Hall actually proves something in the NHL he will always be a good offensive player with potential which is different than a world class impact player.

    Hence, Taylor Hall would be part of a package for Weber and never considered an equal talent.

    In any case Weber isn’t going anywhere. If Poile rejected 5 first round picks for him he clearly wouldn’t move him for spare parts.

  10. D

    May 1, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Never said Hall for Weber was equal talent, its not, ur right. That being said, what I’m saying is that Hall is an underrated player, and I consider him a star player.

    Your comparison of Hall to Tavares is ironic, because Tavares hasn’t proven anything either, hasnt taken his team to the playoffs. While Hall was a -15 player this year, Tavares was also -6. Tavares has also had his seasons when he was -15/-16 (2009/10, 2010/11).

    It’s much easier for a Patrick Kane to put up 88 points in 82 games when you’ve got Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith playing 25+ mins a game every night, instead of Justin Shultz and Andrew Ference.

    And for what it’s worth, patrick kane isn’t known for his defensive responsibility. He doesn’t play on the penalty kill, but taylor hall does.

    You’re right, Taylor Hall hasn’t put up the points in the big game, but he’s never been there. Its easy to say that he isnt a world class impact player, but if you look at the teams in the playoffs right now, it takes more than just one player to get it done. Long gone are the days of a wayne gretzky who can take a garbage LA kings team to the finals.

    The last time Pittsburgh (with Malkin and Crosby, 2 players we can all agree are world class impact players) made it to the finals was 2009. So you can have those guys on ur team, its no guarantee that they can execute.

    but at the end of the day, weber most likely isnt goin anywhere