NHL Video: The Avalanche Where Talking With Penguins At The Draft

  • Adrian Dater of the Denver Post: The below video is Predators in-house draft-day video. GM David Poile is talking about the eventual trade that brought them James Neal for Patric Hornqvist and Nick Spaling. Penguins GM Jim Rutherford mentions to Poile that he “has a deal for No. 23” in his back pocket. The Avalanche held the No. 23 pick, so it appears the Avs and Penguins were talking trade involving Neal.


  1. Macht

    July 6, 2014 at 2:09 am

    Terrible analysis by Dater. He speculates that Colorado may have wanted to move up one spot, or that they were interested in Neal, both of which make zero sense based on the evidence in the video.

  2. kckrebs

    July 6, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    Actually Dater is one of the most reliable guys out there. So if you think he’s being completely stupid and way off the mark you are likely the one not understanding. In the video Rutherford tells Poile he has a deal in his pocket involving the 23rd overall pick. They are talking about James Neal when you see this, therefore because he says it involves the 23rd pick that means it was the Avalanche who were talking with Rutherford about a deal involving the 23rd pick. There were likely others pieces involved in the Avs offer but it’s absolutely good analysis. Nice try though…

  3. Macht

    July 6, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    “…that means it was the Avalanche who were talking with Rutherford about a deal involving the 23rd pick.”

    No kidding! This isn’t news…what does that have to do with James Neal going to Colorado? Nothing. Pittsburgh had a deal in place for Colorado’s pick, which would’ve been an additional part of the trade for Neal to Nashville (that draft pick component was eventually dropped)…clearly that didn’t involve Neal going to Colorado then. So there’s absolutely no evidence to indicate Colorado was talking about getting Neal themselves.

    Then his speculation about the picks, and Colorado wanting to move up one. Pittsburgh offered both the 22+23 picks for Nashville’s 11th, so again, how can Dater speculate Colorado wanted to trade for Pittsburgh’s higher slot, when a deal WAS IN PLACE with them that clearly did not involve Pittsburgh’s 22nd pick.

    It’s one thing to speculate, but when you do it at odds with actual evidence to the contrary, your reasoning has to be brought into question. Dater may be reliable, but he shit the bed on that analysis.

  4. kckrebs

    July 6, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    A little research would go a long way my friend. This is just a small exerpt from a full article. Since you can’t find the article for yourself I’ll quote a couple more key points he made:

    “Penguins GM Jim Rutherford is shown telling Poile that he “has a deal for No. 23″ in his back pocket already, but that he might re-arrange things if the deal with Nashville goes through. The holder of the No. 23 pick at the draft? That would be the Colorado Avalanche.”

    “What was the trade the Avs had with Pittsburgh? That’s not clear at this point. It may never be known.”
    @adater They talk about the Pens having both 22 and 23 and moving them for 11. So it doesn’t sound like Avs were trying to move up 1 spot.”

    “I know that the Avs were concerned that Conner Bleackley might not be available at 23, so this might have been a chance at moving up a notch, and maybe the Avs would have thrown in something else to get Rutherford to do it. Or it might have been something bigger. There were rumors the Avs were interested in Neal, so that could have been it. P.A. Parenteau might have been part of that deal obviously, but he went to Montreal later.”

    ” If I find out exactly what the potential deal would have been, I’ll pass it along. Until then, it is an interesting near development.”

    That wasn’t all that hard was it now? It’s hilarious you’re on a rumor site complaining that you need absolute accuracy but can’t even read the whole article you’re questioning. Dater is literally the last one on this site you should question. Does he speculate? Absolutely, but that’s his job!!