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Posts Tagged Jeremy Jacobs
Both the NHL and NHLPA made proposals yesterday.
After last night’s meetings which ended around 1 am:
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: The NHL and NHLPA may have cut back their numbers in tonight’s meetings. 3 owners and few players than earlier in the day.
- Pierre LeBrun via twitter: Ron Hainsey said that both sides will meet this morning. The NHLPA will meet internally in the morning, both sides will meet after that.
- Pierre LeBrun via twitter: The NHL has increased their ‘make whole’ number to $300 million, up from $211 million. The players offered $383 million in their offer 2 weeks ago. Bob McKenzie via twitter: For the $300 million ‘make whole,’ $250 million is to ‘make whole’ and $50 million is for pension funding.
- Elliotte Friendman via twitter: Sticky points with regards to pensions is that the U.S. and Canada have different laws. U.S. teams pay about $20,000 more, and are tax-free. An advantage to play in the U.S. due to the taxes and that Canadian teams making up the difference aren’t protected from the taxes. The Canadian teams are looking for more protection, which is where the $50 million comes in. Players make look at it as it’s our money already. Friedman was warned today that it could become a problem.
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: The NHLPA will like that the NHL remained status quo on UFA and salary arbitration. The NHLPA won’t like the 5 year term limits on contracts (7 for a teams own UFA), 5% variance from year to year, and a 10 year CBA. The 10 CBA term length has an out clause after 8 years.
- Darren Dreger via twitter: The players may not love the NHLs latest proposal, but it might be enough for them to vote on it.
- Katie Strang via twitter: Multiple sources told Strang that there is a growing concern with the NHLPA about the current format going forward. The PA is looking for no more restrictions on who is in the room. Some of the concern may be that this format could put a wedge among NHLPA members. One source said today’s session was “bizarre.” Having no restrictions on who is present in the room would mean that both Don Fehr and Gary Bettman would be present.
- Rob Rossi via twitter: Both sides are still a bit frustrated. Penguins owner Ron Burkle not thrilled by the union.
Before the evening session:
- Damien Cox via twitter: Having games on Christmas is on the table.
- Pierre LeBrun via twitter: Evening session will be “very delicate.”
- Helene St. James via twitter: After the latest round of talks according to a source, ”Not looking great.”
- Katie Strang via twitter: Contract term limits will be a critical issue that is discussed tonight.
- Tim Panaccio via twitter: A 10 year CBA was discussed but not formally proposed. Owners want a 10 year deal more than players.
- David Pagnotta via twitter: The NHL would make certain “concessions” if the CBA would be longer than the offered 6-7 year deal. Concerns over player contracts and ‘make whole’ are still there.
- Jesse Spector via twitter: “Thing I haven’t been able to grasp: Why would NHLPA want a shorter deal, and invite the owners to dip into their pockets again sooner?”
- Aaron Ward via twitter: After the Board of Governors meeting, the NHLPA presented the NHL with a proposal.
- Tom Gulitti via twitter: If a deal gets reached soon, a 54 to 60 game season is possible. 54 games if they start around Christmas, 54 if they start January 1st.
- Brian Lawton via twitter: “The owner said to have been the most helpful to players in the meetings. Not who most have assumed! Yes Ron Burkle has been a voice of reason but the answer is and most people won’t believe it but it is true…….JEREMY JACOBS”
- Pierre LeBrun via twitter: There was talk in the Board of Governors meeting that there was a possible schedule if there is a deal. One executive said that a 60 game schedule is likely too many games, a 50 plus schedule is possible.
- Michael Russo via twitter: Stars Alex Goligoski, ”It is positive that some progress was made, but until you’re in the final stages of this thing and things are agreed on by both sides, it’s almost foolish to be too optimistic.”
- David Staples via twitter: Doug MacLean said that Gary Bettman intended to grind the players down until December 1st, then work to get a deal done.
NHL, NHLPA meeting scheduled for tomorrow … 6 owners to attended … Ryan, Toews and maybe Crosby to attend
- TSN: The NHL and NHLPA will meet tomorrow afternoon in New York. Six owners and small group of players will attend. Owners who will be there include: Jeremy Jacobs (Bos), Ronald Burkle (Pit), Mark Chipman (Win), Jeffery Vinik (TB), Murray Edwards (Cal) and Larry Tanenbaum (Tor). The NHLPA requested that one staff member be present. Bill Daly will be there for the NHL, the NHLPA representative is not known at this point.
“There will be owners attending this meeting who have not previously done so, which is encouraging and which we welcome,” Fehr said in a statement. “We hope that this meeting will be constructive and lead to a dialogue that will help us find a way to reach an agreement.”
- Andy Strickland via twitter: Strickland is hearing only 6 players will be allowed to attend the meeting.
- Dave Molinari vai twitter: Look for Sidney Crosby to be at the meeting tomorrow.
- Joey Vendetta via twitter: Jonathan Toews and Ryan Miller will attend, Crosby should be there too.
- Tim Panaccio via twitter: A source said the Flyers players would have liked Ed Snider to be going to the meeting.
Mediation again today … The Arizona Coyotes? Jets representative may have been reprimanded by Jacobs
- John Shannon via twitter: Mediation between the NHL and NHLPA will also take place today. Can’t tell how things went yesterday, won’t know anything until today at a minimum. NHLPA simply acknowledged the meeting in a short statement, NHL said they can’t say anything. Pierre LeBrun via twitter: The NHL and NHLPA’s meeting with the mediators will start at 11:00 am.
- David Pagnotta via twitter: If everything works out for the Coyotes and they stay in Glendale, they’ll likely end up changing their name to the “Arizona Coyotes.” Changing their name would lead to new logos, new jerseys, new merchandise and possibly state tax exemptions.
- Joe Haggerty of CSNNE: Haggerty notes that a Winnipeg Jets rep (not Mark Chipman) at a NHL Board of Governors meeting said they were opposed to a long, bloddy lockout as it will hurt the franchises momentum and hurt the game itself. Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs then reprimanded the representative as one of the “new kids on block” and told him he wouldn’t be allowed to speak in the board room.
- Ed Tait of the Winnipeg Free Press: The Winnipeg Jets and the NHL are denying the report that a Jets representative was reprimanded at a board of Governors meeting. Bill Daly said the report was “100% complete and total fabrication.” Mark Chipman offered a statement:
“I was disappointed to learn today of a report which claimed an exchange took place between an Alternate Governor of the Winnipeg Jets and Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins at a recent NHL Board of Governors meeting. I was present throughout all BOG proceedings and can categorically state that no such exchange between Mr. Jacobs and either one of our Alternate Governors – Patrick Phillips or Kevin Cheveldayoff – ever took place. Any suggestion otherwise is completely false.”
- Haggerty and Michael Felger on the Mediation (filmed before yesterday’s meetings)
- John Shannon via twitter: If the NHLPA wants to meet today, the league won’t put any pre-conditions on it.
- Adrian Dater via twitter: Dater is certain that the owners thought they’d have a deal yesterday, and they are furious that Fehr said no. It’s why the players should think hard before walking away, not going to get much better than 50-50, make whole.
- Pierre LeBrun of ESPN: Things were heated yesterday.
“Everyone is disturbed on lack of movement on contracting rights,” said the player via text message. “That’s really hurting the process.”
The league didn’t really give an inch on their player contracting demands, but LeBrun believes they will if the NHLPA will goes with the make whole provision. The make whole will guarantee the players $211 million, $149 million in year 1 and $62 million in year 2. The league projects by year 3 that revenues will have grown enough that much won’t have to go into escrow. The NHLPA doesn’t feel the $211 comes close to making whole, needs to be closer to $600 million. Also, what happens if the revenues don’t grow as much in year 3 as the NHL predicts.
“It’s not make whole — it’s make partial,” said one player via text.
Sources on both sides said the NHLPA won’t go a dime less than the $1.883 billion in salaries plus 1.75% on top of that.
- Kevin McGran via twitter: McGran has been told that the players are looking for $590 to be ‘made whole.’ The NHL is offering $211 million, so they are $379 million apart.
- Renaud Lavoie via twitter: “Tough meeting today. Talks were good this week but some say its because Jeremy Jacobs was not there…until today.”
- Tom Gulitti via twitter: Sounds like it got pretty heated towards the end of today’s meetings.
- Aaron Ward via twitter: “According to multiple player sources,”the notion that players don’t know what’s in CBA proposal is a complete fabrication”.Today’s meeting was described as ‘heated’. One observation,”they couldn’t have tried harder to push us away”.Sensing huge frustration with the league.”
- NHLPA via twitter: Players at meetings today: Chris Campoli, Mathieu Darche, Ron Hainsey, George Parros and Kevin Westgarth.
- Tom Gulitti via twitter: Before today’s meetings, some of Gulitti’s thoughts on CBA talks from what other reports and what he’s gathered:
1) Although there has been some back and forth, both sides are still negotiating off their own proposals as far as the HRR issue. In other words, both still want to do it their way, not the way the other side wants to. 2) The leadership on both sides has received pressure from their constituents to work harder at this than they had been previously. What’s happened this week in talks, would have previously led to a breakdown, but they’re coming back for more now rather than stomping off. 3) It will probably take another breakdown in talks before the sides are ready to take that next step that would lead to a breakthrough. Won’t be surprising if NHL or PA walk away in next day or two, go public with their dissatisfaction with latest CBA talks.
Tim Panaccio via twitter: If a new CBA gets done, potential start dates are Nov. 23rd, Dec. 1st and Jan. 1st.
NHL-NHLPA to talk HRR … NHL considering replacement players? NHL wants NHLPA proposal … KHL on ESPN3
- Larry Brooks of the NY Post: The NHL and NHLPA will meet today and will attempt to clarify the definition of Hockey Related Revenue. Several people who have been briefed on the subject, say that the league has looked to introduce clarifications favorable to the owners bottom line.
“Over the weekend, they just wanted to put more peanuts in their pockets,” the player told The Post.
Regular season games are expected to start being cancelled in 2 week blocks in the next day or two. Martin Biron on proposals,
“It’s not like they get a turn, now we get a turn, and so on. What we’d like as players and what I would like is to be able to have a discussion with them where the league explains its ideas within a broader spectrum, and how this CBA is going to solve the problems and help the NHL grow. We think what we’ve proposed as far as the cap and revenue sharing accomplishes those goals.”
- Josh Rimer of NSSRadioTV: (starting at around 9 minutes. Worth listening too.) Bill Waters talks about the CBA negotiations, and brings up that the NHL could consider replacement players. Some veterans on their last contract might look at crossing. If the lockout lasts the year, Bettman is likely gone.
- Josh Rimer via twitter: Rimer has been told by an NHL player that the NHL wants a proposal from the NHLPA this week, but at this time, none isn’t planned. The NHLPA doesn’t feel the NHL have offered anything back to the players, so they won’t give a proposal.
- Adam Proteau via twitter: Two sources have said if the lockout lasts the entire season, the NHLPA could pull the salary cap off the table. Another source said the 2 chief drivers of the NHLs all-or-nothing demands are Gary Bettman and Jeremy Jacobs.