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Posts Tagged Ron Wilson
Coaches Corner: Hunter, Wilson, Richards, Renney, McLellan, Leafs, Canadiens and Flames … Conditions on Dudley leaving Leafs for Habs
- Stephen Whyno via twitter: Dale Hunter made the tough decision of leaving the Capitals to go back to the London Knight after talking with his family. Tarik El-Bashir via twitter: “It was a tough decision. But it was the right one for me and my family.” Bob McKenzie via twitter: Capitals GM George McPhee is in no hurry to hire a new head coach, he could wait until July or August to find Hunter’s replacement. McKenzie wouldn’t hold his breath waiting for Ron Wilson to be named coach.
- Aaron Portzline via twitter: Blue Jackets coach Todd Richards gets a 2 year deal, no longer the interim coach. Bob McKenzie via twitter: McKenzie thinks the Richards extension is a vote of confidence from ownership for GM Scott Howson.
- Bob McKenzie of TSN: Leafs assistants Scott Gordon and Greg Cronin are expected back. The Canadiens are in the process of touching base with some head coaching candidates, such as: Michel Therrien, Guy Carbonneau, Marc Crawford, and Bob Hartley. The Flames are planning on narrowing their 10-12 head coaching list down to 5 or 6 for interviews. Bob Harley and Troy Ward are prominent. Nothing to report on Tom Renney’s expiring contract. GM Steve Tambellini’s contract is expired too, but many believe he has an extension in place,
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: McKenzie thinks that Todd McLellan will be back coaching the Sharks next season, but not surprised if they brought in an experienced or veteran assistant coach.
- Vicki Hall of the Calgary Herald: Flames AHL head coach Troy Ward is the leading candidate for the head coaching position according to Bodog’s prop (7/4 odds). Bob Hartley (5/2) is a close friend GM Jay Feaster is also a candidate. Craig MacTavish is listed at 6/1.
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: Rick Dudley could leave the Maple Leafs for the Canadiens by the end of the month. It would be conditional on him not helping the Canadiens with the draft. Pending negotiations with the Canadiens, Dudley has the Leafs blessing to move on as long as he isn’t involved with the draft.
- James Mirtle via twitter: Mirtle notes that things didn’t end well between Joffrey Lupul and Randy Carlyle in Anaheim.
- Dennis Bernstein via twitter: Bernstein wonders about Carlyle’s fit in the pressure cooker of Toronto if he hasn’t changed from his Anaheim days.
- Jim Diamond via twitter: Ron Wilson now joins Ken Hitchcock as being coaches that have been fired by 3 teams since Barry Trotz started coaching the Predators.
- Renaud Lavoie via twitter: The Maple Leafs will have a players meeting at 10:00 tonight. Randy Carlyle should be the next coach.
- Damien Cox via twitter: “Confirmed Randy Carlyle expected to be next Leaf head coach.”
- TSN: The Toronto Maple Leafs have fired head coach Ron Wilson according to Darren Dreger. A replacement has been named but it is believed that it could be Randy Carlyle.The Leafs have only won 1 game in their last 11 and have dropped to 11th place in the conference.
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: “Bet on Randy Carlyle being behind TOR’s bench tomorrow night.”
Letang out … Some of the top UFAs … Possible Maple Leafs coaches … Backstrom’s injury not short-term … JVR breaks foot
- Shelly Anderson of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Penguins defenseman Kris Letang has some concussion symptoms according to coach Dan Bylsma. He will miss Saturday’s game, but will remain with the team until they return home after the game. Winger Steve Sullivan is questionable for Saturday night.
- Randy Sportak of the Calgary Sun: Sportak notes some of the best UFAs available in an overall weak crop: Zach Parise, Shane Doan, Jiri Hudler, Mikhail Grobovski, Alexander Semin .. Role players in: Chris Kelly, Daniel Paille, Shawn Thornton, David Jones, Jarret Stoll, Travis Moen, Paul Gaustad, P.A. Parenteau, Brandon Prust, Arron Asham and Dominic Moore … Along the blueline: Ryan Suter, Bryan Allen, Brad Stuart, Barret Jackman, Pavel Kubina, Matt Carle and Nicklas Grossman … noteworthy RFAs: Tuukka Rask, Cory Schneider, Anders Lindback and Shea Weber. (our free agent lists, starting with the Centers and RFAs)
- Terry Koshan of the Toronto Sun: Koshan lists some coaches who could replace current Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson if he’s fired: The Usual Suspects: Randy Carlyle, Marc Crawford, Mike Keenan. Ready for the Next Step? Dallas Eakins, Mike Haviland, Brad Shaw, Todd Nelson, Patrick Roy. And then there is: Scott Gordon, John Anderson, Andy Murray and Craig Ramsay. Damien Cox of the Toronto Star: Cox thinks that Dallas Eakins should be the next Leafs coach.
- Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press: Red Wings defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom will be out for both Friday and Sunday’s games, and will be re-evaluated on Monday. He has a deep bone bruise on his ankle.
- Michael Russo of the Star Tribune: Wild goalie Niklas Backstrom left last night’s game with what looks to be a serious lower-body injury. Backstrom was not able to put any pressure on his leg as he was helped off the ice. GM Chuck Fletcher said it’s not a short-term thing.
- Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News: Flyers James van Riemsdyk blocked a Milan Jurcina shot and broke a bone in his foot. There is no timetable yet, he’ll be re-evaluated today.
- Renaud Lavoie via twitter: Lavoie thinks that Wild forward Guillaume Latendresse will need to feel better in the next 10 days or his season could be over.
- Mark Stepneski of ESPN: Stars forward Brenden Morrow skated yesterday. He’s been out for 14 games with neck and back issues.
“I am nowhere near game shape. It’s probably going to be a week or so before I am in any action,” Morrow said. “It’s going to be skating and different movements that my body hasn’t been in and make sure I am not causing any pain and then we’ll start getting in some practices, getting bumped around a bit. I’ll take it slow at the beginning and then ramp it up before getting into a game.”
- TSN: Senators goalie Craig Anderson is still unable to hold a stick after cutting several tendons on his pinky finger while preparing dinner last week. “It’s hard to say … obviously the timeline is wide open right now,” Anderson told reporters Thursday. “All I can do right now is make sure I stay in shape. I’m able to go out there and skate with my gear on. The main thing right now is keeping my legs, keeping everything strong, so when I do have a chance to come back, I’m physically ready to go.”
Simmons says there will be coaching change in Toronto … Karlsson will get a big deal … No contract talks for Jets … Should Nystrom be suspended for Letang hit?
- Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun: Simmons looks at the Leafs under Burke’s reign. Next year will be his 5th season managing the teams. Simmons notes that it is clear now that there will be a coaching change. Bruce Garrioch via twitter: Many people would be shocked to see Burke fire Ron Wilson. Garrioch notes it would make no sense to have Scott Gordon as an interim coach, Rick Dudley would lighten up the room.
- Ken Warren of the Ottawa Citizen: Senators Erik Karlsson will be a RFA at the end of the season, and will be in line for a big, long-term contract. Karlsson may be in the same situation like Steven Stamkos was, with rumblings of teams sniffing around with possible offer sheets.
- Greg Brady via twitter: Brady is hearing that it’s very likely that Mikhail Grabovski’s contract extension will be done by the end of March.
- Ed Tait of the Winnipeg Free Press: Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff said that they’ll get to contract talks for their 7 UFAs (Chris Mason, Jim Slater, Tanner Glass, Kyle Wellwood, Tim Stapleton, Randy Jones and Mark Flood) in due time, but right now they are focusing on getting to the payoffs.
- Adam Jahns of the Sun-Times: Blackhawks center Jonathan Toews did some physical activity yesterday, but there is still no timetable for his return.
- Peter Pupello of NHL.com: Lightning defenseman Victor Hedman is out with an upper-body injury, but it may not be a concussion. The injury hasn’t been diagnosed, and he’ll see more doctors in the next few days. Vincent Lecavalier could be back in 10 days. Marc-Andre Bergeron is still being bothered by a bad back and it’s possible he’s done for the year.
- Jason Gregor via twitter: The Oilers have returned Yann Danis back to the AHL. Nikolai Khbabibulin will be ready to return on Friday.
- Shelly Anderson Pittsurgh Post-Gazette: Penguins forward Tyler Kennedy (high ankle sprain) has been cleared to practice. Kennedy has missed the last 10 games.
- Josh Yohe of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: Kris Letang left last night’s game with a head injury after taking a hit from Eric Nystrom. Coach Dan Bylsma said Letang is day-to-day. Video below has the hit. Do you think Nystrom should be suspended?
Flyers looking for a goalie? Wings would like a forward … Burke won’t fire Wilson … Leafs one team interested in Roy … Bruins looking for top 9, and Dman
- The Fourth Period: A source is saying the Flyers are actively looking for a number 1 goalie. The source is saying they could package Sergei Bobrovsky and possibly James van Riemsdyk for the right goaltender. The Flyers could be looking at Nikolai Khabibulin, JS Giguere and Ondrej Pavelec. It’s unclear if the Jets would part with Pavelec, who’ll be a RFA at the end of the year.
- Helene St. James via twitter: The Red Wings would like to add a forward, but there’s not a lot teams selling, and the prices are high.
- Pierre LeBrun via twitter: Brian Burke on calls for Ron Wilson’s firing, “I’m not contemplating a coaching change.”
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: Many teams are intersted in Avs UFAs David Jones and Daniel Winnik, and RFA T.J. Galiardi.
- Bob McKenzie via twitter: Teams like the Stars and Avalanche are thinking about getting into the playoffs, but they are also thinking about how to build a team that can contend in the future.
- Bruce Garrioch via twitter: Islanders GM Garth Snow is acting like the Islanders are still pushing for the playoffs, people saying his asking prices are huge.
- Renaud Lavoie via twitter: Sabres Derek Roy is getting interest from the Maple Leafs and others.
- Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe: The Bruins hope to add someone that can play on one of their top 3 lines. and a defenseman that can log some minutes.
”I think those deals are there to do,” said Chiarelli. ”You’re never sure, but….I’d like to be further along in some of these discussions, down to the short strokes, but yes, right now, I think we are getting closer and there are one or two deals we could close.”
One player the Bruins could be looking at is Sammy Pahlsson. Jaroslav Spacek could be an option along the blueline.
”My motivating factors are, first of all, depth,” said Chiarelli, when asked his target areas. ”And then injury, especially to our forwards. Both Nathan (Horton) and (Rich Peverley) remain out, and though we expect both are going to be back, you have to make sure you are covered.”
- David Alter via twitter: Phillippe Dupuis have been placed on waivers by the Maple Leafs.
- Sean Fitz-Gerald via twitter: Defenseman Mike Komisarek taking part in the Leafs practice today.
- David Alter via twitter: Forward Mike Brown says he’s healthy and could play tomorrow if the trainers and coaches give him the go ahead.
- Mark Master via twitter: Leafs coach Ron Wilson said that he wants Brown and Komisarek to get a few more practices before they return. He’s eyeing a weekend return for both.
- David Alter via twitter: Leafs lines at practice: Lupul-Connolly-Kessel, Crabb-Grabo-Kulie, MacArthur-Lombo-Kadri, Boyce-Steckel-Frattin, x tra, Brown, Rosehill, Orr.
- James Mirtle via twitter: It’s looking like Jonas Gustavsson will start in net for the Maple Leafs tomorrow against the Lightning.
Wilson gets 1 year extension … Flyers injuries … Whitney has tendinitis … Gagne injured … Carcillo close … Smith-Pelly breaks foot
- Jeff Blair of the Globe and Mail: Ron Wilson’s contract extension with the Maple Leafs is only for 1 year.
- Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News: Flyers defenseman Kimmo Timonen has been dealing with chronic back pain. Forward James van Riemsdyk is said to have a “cam impingement in his hip” and a ‘banged up” knee. Sources say that he could require offseason surgery on the hip. Daniel Briere expects to be able to go tonight.
- Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal: Oilers defenseman Ryan Whitney missed 47 games last year after dislocating a tendon in his right ankle, and has missed 18 games this year with ankle issues, now has tendinitis in the surgically repaired ankle. He missed yesterday’s game but could be ready for Thursday.
Tom Renny: “The ankle has been a little bit weak because he’s pushing himself to get back to where he wants to be and it’s inevitable that there’s some residual pain there. He’s developed the tendinitis because he’s pushed it. We’re being safe. On the heels of the Christmas break, if we can give him five or six days off, I think it’ll help him a lot.”
- Rich Hammond of the LA Kings Insider: Kings winger Simon Gagne did not return for the 3rd period last night and will be evaluated today.
- Chris Kuc of the Chicago Tribune: Blackhawks forward Daniel Carcillo skated yesterday for the 1st time in days. He suffered an upper-body injury (or a possible concussion) on Dec. 14th. He’s missed the last 5 games, but could be ready to return once he gets his conditioning back. He hopes to play tomorrow against the Kings.
- Jeremy Rutherford of the St. Louis Post Dispatch: Blues forward T.J. Oshie will miss 2 games due to a ligament injury in his left wrist. They expect him to return on Friday.
- Washington Post: Capitals center Mathieu Perreault went to the hospital with an upper-body injury last night. He stayed overnight in Buffalo and will return to Washington today. He was injured in the 3rd when his stick got stuck in the boards and jammed into his midsection.
- Gord Miller via twitter: World Junior Championship players by NHL team: Ana: 6 Bos: 2 Buf: 2 Cgy: 3 Car: 2 Chi: 6 Col: 1 CBJ: 5 Dal: 4 Det: 4 Edm: 4 Fla: 7 LA: 3 Min: 6 Mtl: 4 Nas: 2 NJ: 2 NYI: 2 NYR: 1 Ott: 4 Phi: 0 Phx: 3 Pit: 3 StL: 3 SJ: 1 TB: 4 Tor: 1 Van: 1 Was: 1 Wpg: 2.
- Eric Stephens of the OC Register: Ducks prospect Devante Smith-Pelly broke a bone in his foot during Canada’s victory over Finland yesterday at the WJC. He’ll be out 4-6 weeks.
- Rich Chere of the Star-Ledger: The 39 year old Martin Brodeur is in the final year of contract. If he decides to come back next season, would he be willing to be a part-time mentor to a younger goalie? Claude Lemieux’s thoughts on Brodeur:
“It’s a decision great goalies have to make. Do I want to fade away, maybe becoming a mentor in a number two spot and keep playing? Or, if I can’t be the number one guy and play 60 games, I don’t want to be there.
“I wouldn’t be surprised with Marty if he didn’t mind just fading away helping the young guys because of his personality. I know Patty (Roy) couldn’t do it because of his personality. It would surprise me if Marty wouldn’t be okay with it.”
“Anything is possible,” Brodeur said. “You have to enjoy what you do. Sometimes you take different roles. I’ve been here for so long that I’ve had different roles regardless of me playing or not playing. Just watching guys and helping guys during their careers to make the right decisions. You have to think the right way and go through hurdles for success.”
A decision on his future likely won’t come until after the season.
- Ron Wilson via twitter: “He came! He came!” Remember saying that as a little kid? Well he did: I got a new Red Ryder BB gun and a contract extension!”
- Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News: The Sabres will have at least 7 players out with injury tonight, and Thomas Vanek’s status is still unknown.
Change of scenery needed for Hemsky? Could the Oilers trade Smyth? Wings could use scoring winger … Wilson wants contract in stocking
- Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal: Oilers winger Ales Hemsky will be a UFA at the end of the season, but is struggling offensively (3 goals and 8 assists). It may be time for a change of scenery for Hemsky. Teams will be calling. The Red Wings, Predators, Penguins and Rangers could be interested. Teams will be calling the Ducks about Teemu Selanne, but Matheson could only see Selanne agreeing to play in Winnipeg if the Jets are in the hunt. Matheson wonders if the Oilers would go to Ryan Smyth to see if he’d want to play for a contender this year? “Absolutely, and, if the Oilers frame it right, they can assure No. 94, who should probably have his number retired here one day, that they’ll re-sign him after July 1 so he’ll have the best of both worlds.”
- Ansar Khan via twitter: Khan thinks the Red Wings will make a move by the deadline, and a scoring winger is at the top of their list.
- Maple Leafs coach Ron Wilson via twitter: “This Xmas could be better if Santa stuffs a certain piece of paper in my stocking.
- Stu Cowan in the Ottawa Citizen: Cowan thinks the Canadiens should hire Guy Carbonneau as the teams next head coach.
“I got fired by Bob (Gainey), and Pierre Gauthier was there, so I don’t know what Geoff would do,” Carbonneau said. “I loved what I did when I was in Montreal, I enjoyed everything that was around it, even if it was hard . . . I think there’s nothing that’s ever easy. But I definitely want to go back behind a (NHL) bench, and I think Montreal is a great place for that.”
- David Pollak of the San Jose Mercury News: Sharks forward Martin Havlat had surgery and “can’t do much for the next two or three weeks.” Goalie Antero Niittymaki is back from his 3 game conditioning stint.
- Dallas Stars via twitter: Stars defenseman Sheldon Souray left last night’s game with a lower body injury.
- Jonas Siegel via twitter: Maple Leafs defenseman John-Michael Liles missed last night’s game with a neck injury, but will be ready to return on Tuesday.
Wings could look at Ruutu … Stars called about Iginla … Luongo dangled … Brassard getting interest … NHL realignment option
- Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: The Red Wings will look to add a veteran forward by the trade deadline, and don’t be surprised if they go after Tuomo Ruutu. The Stars have asked the Flames about Jarome Iginla but were told he’s not available. The Canucks may still look to acquire Kyle Turris. Expect the Flames to call the Senators about Filip Kuba since Mark Giordano is out for an extended period. The Rangers, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs and Flyers all looked into adding Bobby Ryan. The Ducks wanted a high-end young guy that’s already in the NHL, a top prospect and a 1st round pick. Talk is the Canucks dangled Roberto Luongo around the league but haven’t found anyone interested in his $5.3 million cap hit until 2021-22. Cory Schneider will traded at some point. Blue Jackets forward Derick Brassard is getting interest from the Kings, Senators, Canadiens, Coyotes, Panthers, Lightning and Rangers.
- Vicki Hall of the Calgary Herald: Flames defenseman Cory Sarich denies that the made a trade request:
“We discussed a wide variety of topics,” Sarich said. “It was initiated by me, because I just wanted to be open and honest with him. I really wanted to express to him that I want to contribute to this team. I want to be part of this team.“I definitely did not demand to be traded,” he said. “As long as I’m in Calgary, I want to be here. I want to contribute…
- Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun: Simmons thinks it would be foolish for the Maple Leafs to sign Ron Wilson to contract extension until after the season. Simmons notes if the Leafs make the playoffs he gets an extension, if he doesn’t, he’s gone.
- Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News: (from several days ago) Anaheim is believed to have some interest in Drew Stafford.
- Jason Botchford via twitter: Roberto Luongo will start in net for the Canucks.
- HNIC Hotstove video link: One realignment options is 4 conferences.
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Turris to make season debut … No timetable on Green … Giordano to IR … Rutherford talks Kaberle … Miller close … Schneider to start
- TSN: Kyle Turris is expected to make his season debut with the Coyotes tonight against the Jets.
- Katie Carrera of the Washington Post: Capitals defenseman Mike Green has skated 4 of the last 5 days, but there is still no timetable on his return. He’s missed 9 straight games with a strained groin muscle.
“I’d like to be back tomorrow but that’s not going to happen,” Green said. “It’s just kind of a day-to-day thing, there’s no set schedule. It’s just me getting back into shape and making sure that I’m 100 percent healthy if not 90 percent at least.
“As far as game shape with being explosive,” Green added, “I still have some strengthening to do, who knows how long that will take.”
- Vicki Hall of the Calgary Herald: Flames defenseman Mark Giordano was put on the IR and will be out at least 7 days. He suffered a hamstring injury after blocking a shot on Tuesday.
- Josh Rimer via twitter: Jim Rutherford: “Tomas Kaberle better pick up his game or he won’t be in Carolina Long!”
- Gord Stellick via twitter: If Brian Burke was hired by the Maple Leafs 6 months earlier, his choice for head coach would have been Joel Quenneville rather than Ron Wilson.
- Mike Harrington via twitter: Sabres goalie Ryan Miller hasn’t been ruled out for this weekend by Lindy Ruff. Tyler Ennis may play on Friday. Jordan Leopold is out for the weekend, but could play next week.
- Ben Kuzma via twitter: Canucks Mason Raymond is ready to return. He’s skating with Cody Hodgson and Jannik Hansen. Manny Malhotra to the 4th line.
- Vancouver Canucks via twitter: Cory Schneider will start in net for the Canucks against the Predators tonight.
- Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly: It sounds like Ilya Bryzgalov will start in net for the Flyers Friday against the Ducks.
Bradley has some words about Semin … Doughty – Kings haven’t talked in weeks … Nylander gets Flyers PTO … Yashin has KHL offer … Redden “unaffordable”
- ESPN: Former Capital, and current Florida Panthers forward Matt Bradley had some words to say about Alexander Semin and lack of playoff success in Washington on an Ottawa radio station.
“I don’t mind saying Alexander Semin’s name, because he’s one guy who has so much talent, he could easily be the best player in the league, and just for whatever reason, just doesn’t care,” Bradley said on Ottawa’s TEAM 1200 radio show.
“When you’ve got a guy like that, you need him to be your best player, or one of your best players, and when he doesn’t show up, you almost get the sense that he wants to be back in Russia.”
“We had some guys who didn’t show up in the playoffs,” Bradley said on the show.
“I think our locker room was maybe a little bit too nonchalant, and guys weren’t disciplined the way they should have been. Those two things are big things. It wasn’t that guys were going out the night before a game, but not being ready to practice or missing practice with questionable injuries and not being focused.”
“I mean, there were a lot of guys who played well that didn’t probably play as much as they needed to, but I love Bruce [Boudreau] and Bruce is a great coach and he was in a very tough position there, because in Washington our top guys are definitely the stars and the guys that people want to see on the ice, so I totally understand,” Bradley said. “That just doesn’t happen on our team, it happens on a lot of teams.
“When you’re paying your top guys a lot of money and those guys carry you through the whole season, and if one of them isn’t going, it’s very hard not to play them, and I understand that that’s tough. But I think in the end, if you want to win, sometimes you have to sit some of those guys down and maybe send a message and try to get them going.”
Bradley had only good things to say about Alex Ovechkin: “I never worry about Ovi,” he said. “He’s an all-in guy. He’s young, he makes his mistakes, the same as anyone would. I often try to put myself in his position. And you’ve got to remember, he’s 25 years old, he’s got a guaranteed $120 million, he’s on top of the world, and he still for the most part makes the right decisions.”
- Greg Wyshynski via twitter: Wyshynski talked spoke to Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau about Bradley’s comments about how he overplays his stars: “Oh yeah? Oh well … it’s his opinion.” and he wouldn’t give further comment after that.
- EJ Hradek via twitter: According to one source, the LA Kings and Drew Doughty haven’t talked in weeks.
- Philadelphia Daily News: Michael Nylander will be at the Flyers training camp on a tryout. Nylander last played in 2008-09 with the Capitals.
- Slava Malamud via twitter: KHL’s Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg have made an offer to Alexei Yashin and are awaiting an answer.
- Shelly Anderson of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Penguins forward Dustin Jeffrey has been cleared for light skating following his knee surgery.
- Steve Zipay via twitter: Zipay says that Wade Redden is “unaffordable” for the Rangers this year. (I wonder how many teams would be interested in him if he didn’t carry a $6.5 million cap hit for 3 more years? I’m sure he’d get some interest.)
- Marc Antoine Godin of Cyberpresse.ca: Canadiens forward Lars Eller, who had surgery on his dislocated right shoulder, will be at training camp, but
“There is no set date for my return, but it is possible that I am ready for the first game of the season.
I could also miss the first week of the calendar. The doctors will evaluate it during training camp.”
“Certainly I will be there from the start of camp. I will participate in some exercises, but I must take things as they come.”
- Mike Brophy of Sportsnet.ca: Brophy lists some coaches who could be on the hotseat this year: Ron Wilson (TOR), Todd McLellan (SJ), Alain Vigneault (VAN), and Terry Murray (LA).